In this roundtable episode of The Face Off Spot, host Adam Larson brings together three veteran hockey officials—Chip Excell, David Skorka, and Carl Sassin—to discuss the world of hockey officiating. They dive into their paths to becoming referees, the camaraderie of officiating, the crucial role of game management, and the growing issue of abuse toward officials. The panel shares insightful takes on rules they’d like to change, the effect of video reviews, and how referees work together as a team. With compelling stories, expert advice, and a few laughs (including their favorite chirps from fans), this episode offers a rare, behind-the-scenes look at officiating from some of the sport’s most experienced voices.

00:00–02:00 – Introduction

Host Adam Larson welcomes listeners and introduces the episode's theme.

Shout-out to the sponsor and a nod to past roundtable episodes.

02:00–04:45 – Guest Introductions

Adam introduces the referee roundtable: Chip Excell (Oklahoma), David Skorka (NTHOA), and Carl Sassin (AHL ref and mental performance coach).

04:45–06:30 – How They Got Into Officiating

Chip started late, motivated by a second job and love of skating.

David began in his teens, influenced by his father.

Carl began as a teen, paused to play, then returned to officiate.

06:30–08:30 – The Referee Brotherhood

Discussion on how officials get to know each other and form lifelong connections.

Travel as a perk and a connector in officiating.

08:30–12:45 – Game Management in Officiating

They explain why officials manage the game's tempo and tensions.

Examples from professional and youth levels underscore its importance.

12:45–20:30 – Abuse of Officials & Retention Challenges

Discussion about increasing verbal abuse from coaches and parents.

The importance of supporting young officials and enforcing rules early.

20:30–24:50 – Rule Change Ideas

Panel shares their desired changes: standardizing youth rules, allowing more physicality earlier, and modifying offside replay standards.

24:50–33:50 – Impact of Replay Technology

Pros and cons of replay in officiating, including how it affects decision-making confidence.

33:50–42:00 – Officiating as a Team

Communication and teamwork between officials on the ice.

Examples of coordination during critical or chaotic plays.

42:00–46:30 – Handling Fights in Hockey

The art and timing of breaking up fights, with emphasis on safety and experience.

46:30–52:20 – High-Pressure Moments

Each guest recounts their most stressful officiating experiences and how they coped.

52:20–57:30 – Final Shout-Outs

Each guest shares an encouraging message for current and aspiring officials.

57:30–End – Favorite Chirps

Humorous fan interactions and memorable chirps, with a light-hearted close to the episode.